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Re: Future ownership of the Club
« Reply #280 on: Wed 11 Aug 10 15:22 GMT »

Huangs looking better by the day. His involvement with the Yankees is both legit and underlines his efforts to promote sports in China just like he has also done with Yao Ming. The bullshit surrounding him is unraveling by the day. Good news.

He is just a facilitator and front man Chin yes.

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« Reply #281 on: Wed 11 Aug 10 22:13 GMT »

Huangs looking better by the day. His involvement with the Yankees is both legit and underlines his efforts to promote sports in China just like he has also done with Yao Ming. The bullshit surrounding him is unraveling by the day. Good news.

He is just a facilitator and front man Chin yes.

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« Reply #282 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 09:01 GMT »

What's scaring you Coops? I think of the two bids we know of he is looking more likely.

The other news is the board meeting scheduled today has been called off. It could be that there is no credible bid on the table. Who knows.
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« Reply #283 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 09:07 GMT »

Could it be that the board meeting was called off cause it is a big day for us in the transfer market?

Rumours suggesting that Masch deal might be settled today so Purslow might not be available. Or may be they are not in a hurry to sell the club as the two bids don't look credible enough.

Don't know what to make of the Kirdi statement regarding Benitez. We are in this mess because of the huge interest payments we have to make every year and not because of Benitez you twat.
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« Reply #284 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 10:27 GMT »

That Kirdi guy has to be discounted for the good of everyone. No good will ever come out of his involvement.
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« Reply #285 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 17:45 GMT »

What's scaring you Coops? I think of the two bids we know of he is looking more likely.

The other news is the board meeting scheduled today has been called off. It could be that there is no credible bid on the table. Who knows.

Just a very strong feeling that Huang and Kirdi are two sides of the same coin.... All spin, no substance... And yet at the moment one could feasibly end up in control.

Having been around Pompey fans all year, it feels all too familiar.
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« Reply #286 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 22:11 GMT »

Huang did an interview in a Chinese basketball mag he owns. Translation here

for all that it's not the most challenging of interviews (so finally, queen mother, is there anything else you'd like to tell us about your garden) he comes across as refreshingly honest about the situation - to the extent he can within all the confidentiality agreements etc.

Aug 12, Beijing: This is an exclusive and first interview of Huang by “Love Basketball” (ANQ), a basketball magazine which he is the Advisor , on his effort to buy Liverpool FC. Huang (KH) explained that because of the confidential agreement he would not speak on the present process but would clarify some of the rumours etc.

ANQ: Why have you keep silent on LFC?

KH: There has always been a confidential agreement. Hence I cannot make any comment on the current process and have to go through spokesman and PR company.

ABQ: So why can you accept the interview now?

KH: The details cannot be divulged now. As there are too many interview requests, I feel I should say a few things through my own magazine but I can’t say a lot.

ANQ: At what stage is the bidding going now?

KH: Our interest in buying LFC has been recognised by the Board. At the same time, we have continued our work - researching and evaluating, the overall progress is good. However, there are quite a number of strong competitors. So there are still a lot of unknowns.

ANQ: Who are your competitors?

KH: From Middle East and from North America. The Indians have withdrawn.

ANQ: At what position do you feel you are amongst the bidders? In the lead or what?

KH: I feel everyone has a chance. Every bidder would feel they have an advantage so it is hard to say we are in the lead. We shall strengthen our communication with the Board and the Bank.

ANQ: What are your advantages, you feel?

KH: First we have a very strong Asian market and Chinese market which will be very helpful to Liverpool to get into these markets. However, our competitors have more preparation and more understanding of the EPL.

ANQ: According to the UK media, (you want) the Board to reply you within 10 days? When would you expect the deal be done?

KH: We have put forward many proposals and we have the answer: the Board has accepted our proposal (translator's note: proposal, not bid) and wish us to continue the process. We have a reply in less than 10 days.

ANQ: You mean the Board has given you a positive reply?

KH: Yes but there are still a lot of unknowns. The reports in UK media saying that we have won or ahead in the lead are incorrect. In fact, all our competitors are very strong. We have to recognize our position: not far ahead, nor the Board has confirmed accepting us. There is still some way to go. It was that we asked the Board to let us know whether our proposal would be overall acceptable and the Board has said yes.

ANQ: There are sayings that you hope to complete the deal by the end of the month before the transfer window closes - is it true?

KH: No. Of course everyone feel it would be best but there are certain unknowns.

ANQ: How about the other rumoured completion date - October?

KH: By October, it will be an open secret because by then the loans is due and the Bank has to call back the debt.

ANQ: In the main who are you negotiating with at LFC? The Bank? Board? The American owners?

KH: Mainly the Board.

ANQ: There are Mainland media doubting your ability to buy LFC?

KH: It is definitely not with my own money - but that of a consortium. Membership of the consortium still has to be keep confidential.

ANQ: Someone has said Yang Guang of Franklin Templeton has joined the investment - is it true?

KH: Yang Guang is a fund manager, the best amongst Chinese. However, it is also not Yang’s money but the consortium’s money. He’s only responsible for management.

ANQ: So Yang and you are partners and co-intiators?

KH: Yes, Yang is with me to protect the interests and rights of various investors.

ANQ: What is the purpose of this consortium buying Liverpool? Some media said you have been deliberately pumping up publicity?

KH: We must state that we have not been pumping publicity, if we were it should have started a lot earlier. We only admit our involvement after LFC said we are bidding. If you look at the reports, we have kept a low profile until the Chairman of the Board’s interview and then we admitted we are bidding. Our aims: (1) no firing up publicity (2) no interview. Many people said we seek publicity - this is wrong. On whether Huang Jian Hua is dealing with his own money: I clarify, it is not my money. It is a consortium.

ANQ: How did you convince the consortium to bid for LFC?

KH: This is a very good brand and the price is a lot lower than two years ago. Therefore, I feel it is a good investment project.

ANQ: Any difficulties / obstacles so far?

KH: Not enough understanding of the UK media. This is our biggest oversight. Everything should be confidential but the digging ability of the UK media is just out of our imagination. Our biggest puzzle is that they have known our every move. The ability of our competitors to make use of the media also out-strip us. What I do not expect is the integration of sports and media in UK is even higher than that in the US. This open my eyes but also already given me some disadvantages. Therefore we have engaged the largest PR company in the world which has a high capability in the UK.

ANQ: What have been the fans’ view on the bidding so far? How do you deal with it?

KH: The Bank and Board have had pressure from the media. Their attention to the media far exceed my expectation. This may be my biggest failure thus far.

ANQ: The fans? What have the fans’ responses to all the news?

KH: The PR company told us most of the fans are supportive although there are some noises too - that there are doubts on the
depth of our pocket, and on our ability to manage (the Club). Of course we have to deal with these issues step by step.

ANQ: Some Mainland fans have some doubts too? What do you hope them to understand?

KH: I feel, there are many things of the EPL to learn from. This is the most successful league in the world. If we can learn of the good and not the bad, that will be good for Mainland. Their training method, advance experience and also raising the ability of players are things we can learn from.

ANQ: How confident are you in a successful bid? 50%? 60%? 80%?

KH: About 50%, I think. Our competitors are strong, and we do not have enough experience, especially we need to understand more on the big teams’ relationship with teh media in the UK. Also we are not well prepared enough on the triangular relationship between the shareholders, debtors and the Board. We still have a lot to do, and we do not have a great advantage as it was reported. We still have a lot to learn and review.

ANQ: You have a lot of investments - how do you balance them? baseball, ANQ, Jilin Northwest Tigers (professional basketball team), NBL?

KH: Everyone can see that the sport industry in China is tremendous. I want to get a hand in the biggest three sports in the world: baseball, football and basketball. There is a lot of “relationship” between the big three and these will help raise Chinese’ own industry to a very high level. On NBL, I was told the recent show was done well. Still there were hiccups (). ticket sale far exceeded expectation and ad boards were sold out. Still there are a lot of issues. This is our first year - we also have to improve sponsors’ rights and package, as well as tv broadcasting.

I think I'd rather someone who knew their limitations and was prepared to address them, than someone like G&H who thought they knew everything and were the dogs bits. So long as he's got the funds and a long-term financial plan to progress the club and isn't borrowing, I'd tolerate.
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« Reply #287 on: Thu 12 Aug 10 22:24 GMT »

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« Reply #288 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 08:39 GMT »

Fucking ridiculous - look at this cunt...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/11/liverpool-takeover-sharjah


Huang is bang on the money - says bid is 50% likely and is looking more and more credible by the day. The biggest fuck up is this RBS 20million fine if the club is not sold by August. It looks great on paper - yay 20 million fine for the 2 morons, however - it gets LUMPED ONTO THE CLUB! Absolutely abhorrent.
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« Reply #289 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 08:40 GMT »

Fucking ridiculous - look at this cunt...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/11/liverpool-takeover-sharjah


Huang is bang on the money - says bid is 50% likely and is looking more and more credible by the day. The biggest fuck up is this RBS 20million fine if the club is not sold by August. It looks great on paper - yay 20 million fine for the 2 morons, however - it gets LUMPED ONTO THE CLUB! Absolutely abhorrent.


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Oh look these guys have a loan for £250 mill.. let's charge them another £20 mill they will definitely pay it roll eyes
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« Reply #290 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 09:07 GMT »

Brilliant isn't it.
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« Reply #291 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 11:30 GMT »

But RBS have insisted that they become personally liable for the penalty (and they will be persuing G&H personally for any shortfall in the event that the takeover of the club doesn't pay off all their debt).

In summary, I think G&H have little choice but to deal with the penalty personally because RBS won't let them put it back on the club. Saying that, in the scheme of things another £20m on top of what they already owe isn't huge, but in the context of their personal fortunes at present, it's not good news.
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« Reply #292 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 11:58 GMT »

But they don't personally own the club - a holding company does. So I don't believe it will work that way.

Seems suggestions have been made that some deal has been done that those 2 do indeed have personal liability for the fine. Please let it be true  awwww yeah! awwww yeah! awwww yeah! awwww yeah!
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« Reply #293 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 12:08 GMT »

If that is true then  dirk

But they could still sign a deal in principle with Kirdi that the club is sold. All Kirdi has to do is wait until October to show finances.   

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« Reply #294 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 14:16 GMT »

Yup apparently there is a penalty clause involved with last re-fianace that places fines on G&H directly.

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Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett will have to pay the Royal Bank of Scotland £20 million in penalty fees if the club remains unsold at the end of August, it has emerged.

Though Kenny Huang, the leading contender to oust the Americans, yesterday insisted talks are progressing smoothly, he admits he is only "50 per cent" confident of securing a £400 million takeover.

The bank, which holds £237 million of debt placed on the Anfield side by its American owners, has imposed the so-called "ticking fees" against Hicks and Gillett, rather than Liverpool, in an attempt to force a sale of the club.

Hicks and Gillett are also thought to be personally liable for millions of pounds in punitive interest charges since RBS agreed to a new refinancing deal in April. The bank will take the fees out of the proceeds of a sale of the club, though should Liverpool fetch less than the £282.4 million sum of its total debt, RBS will pursue the Americans for the extra funds.

Liverpool's current owners are holding out for a £600 million deal to cover liabilities elsewhere in their business empires, but sources familiar with the sale have suggested that such a price remains a pipe-dream.

Yahya Kirdi, the Syrian-Canadian businessman acknowledged as the Americans' preferred bidder, has denied he will meet that valuation, while Huang is thought to be preparing an offer of around £400 million.

The Chinese entrepreneur yesterday broke his silence on his prospective takeover in an interview published by Love Basketball magazine in his homeland, insisting an outline proposal has been approved by Liverpool's chairman, Martin Broughton, and the club's board.

He also moved to assuage a number of doubts over his offer, including the provenance of funds and the identities of his backers, though he stopped short of confirming whether he had tabled a formal bid to buy the club.

"We have signed a confidentiality clause with regards to the acquisition of Liverpool," Huang was quoted as saying. "I am 50 per cent confident we will acquire the club. We have provided a large number of documents. Liverpool's board has approved our proposal and we will have an answer in less than 10 days.

"Liverpool's board have given us a positive response, but there are still plenty of unknowns. Our competitors are very strong and the board has not confirmed they will accept us. There are rivals from North America and the Middle East. We still have some distance to go, but we were informed the board regard our proposal as acceptable in the macro."

Huang also dismissed suggestions he would walk away should a deal not be completed by the end of the week and confirmed that Yang Guang, his partner in Liverpool's would-be parent company QSL, is involved in the bid in an advisory capacity.

Though Liverpool fans will be unconcerned by personal debts accrued by their unpopular owners, the club's future, should Hicks and Gillett manage to retain control at Anfield, will be a cause of considerable distress.

"Liverpool's is not a long-term business model," said Philip Long of PKF accountants, who conduct an annual survey into football finance. "There simply is not a happy ending to leveraged buy-outs. The burden of the interest outweighs any profits the club make, and that becomes unmanageable.

"The two Americans hanging on and seeing their debt refinanced by RBS, continuing to pay interest, is a far worse scenario than the bank taking over the running of the club. The debt burden will just increase to a point where the interest is not being serviced any more. The ultimate end game, if Hicks and Gillett cling on, is that Liverpool goes bust."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7941815/Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-face-20m-bank-penalty-if-Liverpool-is-not-sold.html
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« Reply #295 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 14:53 GMT »

If that is true then  dirk

But they could still sign a deal in principle with Kirdi that the club is sold. All Kirdi has to do is wait until October to show finances.   



not without a majority vote from the board they couldn't.
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« Reply #296 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 20:33 GMT »

Statement on ownership expected tonight eeek
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« Reply #297 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 20:39 GMT »

 BEWM! Americans are going to come out and say they were only on the wind-up and actually have tonnes of cash, clear the debt in the morning then give Woy £200mil to spend.

 lol how sad will you lot look when that happens then  orly

 Nodding that's that base covered.

I imagine they're going to say none of the offers were suitable and they're borrowing money from the club to pay the £20mil fine.
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« Reply #298 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 20:47 GMT »

They are gonna announce me as the owner in a Vince McMahon style storyline twist  smug
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« Reply #299 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 20:56 GMT »

 BEWM! Gillett Jnr. coming onscreen saying he's bought Everton  eeek

Hick's wife has taken over Arsenal  eeek
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« Reply #300 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 21:28 GMT »

Something is going to happen tonight for sure. Could be milkshakes at dawn!
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« Reply #301 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 21:45 GMT »

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The Liverpool FC Board has reviewed a number of proposed bids for the club at a meeting held today.

The Board will continue to act in the best interests of Liverpool Football Club and its supporters, doing all that it can to ensure that the Club is ultimately sold to a buyer who has the resources and real commitment to give it a long-term, stable and secure funding position for its plans.

The sale process is continuing. However, its timing and outcome remain uncertain. In the meantime, we will not comment on rumour and speculation.

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« Reply #302 on: Fri 13 Aug 10 21:52 GMT »

The art of making a statement without actually saying anything  VUVUZELA BRRRRRRR

Bit of a letdown tbf, though not surprised.
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« Reply #303 on: Thu 19 Aug 10 21:11 GMT »

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RT @dinabass Peter Kenyon, ex-Chelsea CEO, hired by Huang's QSL to negotiate #LFC buy, Bloomberg's @tariqpanja is reporting.

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« Reply #305 on: Thu 19 Aug 10 21:16 GMT »

Fabian > life
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A bigger leech than the Yanks.
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« Reply #308 on: Fri 20 Aug 10 20:24 GMT »

F*ck knows what's gonna happen now sigh voronin again...

Starting to get a bit apathetic towards it all tbf
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« Reply #309 on: Sat 21 Aug 10 07:02 GMT »

It looked like this was gonna happen. If we do get bought it will be by someone who just does it and doesn't make a big song and dance of it.

Still depressing though.
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« Reply #310 on: Tue 07 Sep 10 14:57 GMT »

Is this the guy who was gonna buy us?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-07/dubai-holding-unit-gets-extension-on-555-million-revolving-credit-line.html

Dubai Holding LLC, a company owned by the emirate’s ruler Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, is delaying repayment on part of $1.8 billion in loans due this month as state-owned companies seek to restructure liabilities.

Dubai Holding Commercial Operations Group LLC, a real estate and hospitality group owned by Dubai Holding, received a second extension on repayment of a $555 million credit line, the company said in a statement today. Dubai International Capital LLC, a unit of Dubai Holding, in May got a three-month extension on a $1.25 billion loan until Sept. 30.

Dubai racked up $109.3 billion of debt to transform the emirate into a tourism, trade and financial-services hub, according to International Monetary Fund estimates. Dubai World is in talks with about 70 lenders to alter terms on $23.5 billion of debt.

“It eases immediate liquidity pressures, and having a long- term solution would be a positive because it would smooth out repayments,” Martin Kohlhase, an analyst at Moody’s Investors Service, said of Dubai Holding Commercial’s announcement. “Dubai World is clearly the more important negotiation because of the size of the debt and number of lenders involved.”
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« Reply #311 on: Tue 07 Sep 10 16:39 GMT »

Yup. Dubai has been in the shit for a long time, they have fuck all oil so can't fall back on that when the world economy goes tits up.
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Yep, however they are so deeply entrenched in all the major wealth funds that they'll be absolutely fine.
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« Reply #313 on: Thu 09 Sep 10 21:38 GMT »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/rbs-tom-hicks-george-gillett-sell-liverpool

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Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ill-starred reign as owners of Liverpool looks like having less than a month to run after the club's loans with Royal Bank of Scotland were placed into its toxic-assets division.

The deadline for the refinancing of the owners' personal loans from RBS is 6 October, and that now looks set to be the date that Hicks and Gillett's association with England's most successful club will end. The bank's decision to switch the debts to its Global Restructuring Group is the strongest possible signal that these loans will not be extended.

The co-owners' previous attempt to refinance the debts in June, when they are believed to have offered to secure the loans against their US assets, was overruled by the club's board, led by the chairman, Martin Broughton. Now, with the loans having been shifted into RBS's so-called "bad bank", where all toxic assets have been housed since last year, it is clear the club's lender has also adopted a more steely stance towards the Americans.

One source with a knowledge of Liverpool's dealings with RBS said: "If it has been taken out of the hands of the corporate banking department they'll have a much more ruthless approach on 6 October." An informed view from another source close to the situation is that the bank would hope to sell the club, possibly at a knockdown price, in the coming weeks or as soon possible after 6 October.

According to the club's accounts to July 2009 Liverpool's owners owe £237.4m to RBS. Through companies in the UK and overseas, Hicks and Gillett are also personally exposed to tens of millions of pounds in other commitments to the club and its lender. These have been a mixture of cash, which the pair have injected through equity, and guarantees to the RBS loans. Last year's accounts stated these amounted to £145.3m, but it is believed to have risen dramatically after the last refinancing agreed five months ago.

RBS would hope to achieve an orderly sale without having to take control of Liverpool. However, depending on the terms of the April refinancing agreement – which have never been made public – that may prove difficult if the co-owners, who value the club at £800m, refuse to go quietly.

One tool at RBS's disposal is to force the insolvency of Liverpool's UK parent and associated companies. It is clear from mortgage documents lodged with Companies House that in the event of default RBS has the power to place Kop Football and Kop Football (Holdings), as well as Gillett's loan-security vehicle, Football UK Ltd, into administration. However that would be unpalatable for the bank, Liverpool's board and the Premier League since it would require the imposition of a nine-point penalty on the club.

By exercising those clauses the bank would also effectively take control of Liverpool. Although RBS's restructuring group describes itself as being responsible for "the management of any problem lending portfolios", the bank has no long-term plans to hold the club as its subsidiary. Instead it is expected RBS would prefer to fulfil another of its stated aims – the "maximising [of] debt recoveries" – by selling the club in short order.

That means there are also strong signs RBS will now be prepared to accept a knockdown price in order to cut its ties. During negotiations with prospective buyers Broughton, and the investment bank advising him, Barclays Capital, have maintained that Liverpool's debts with RBS must be paid in full as a minimum sale price.

Provided buyers still retain an interest in taking over Liverpool beyond 6 October, it will mean a more orderly sale process. There would be only one party for purchasers to negotiate with and the club's debts would be manageable.

The departure of Hicks and Gillett is an outcome that would delight Liverpool fans. The Kop Faithful group wrote in an open letter to the RBS group's chief executive, Stephen Hester, this week: "Hicks and Gillett were proved to be no more than a pair of liars. The promised 'no Glazer style buy out' was all of a sudden [a leveraged buy out] – a club £350m in debt to effectively buy itself, when it had been sold for less than £180m in what seemed no time before."


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« Reply #314 on: Thu 09 Sep 10 22:06 GMT »

Id take the 9pt hit if it destroyed the cunts
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« Reply #315 on: Thu 09 Sep 10 22:56 GMT »

Id take the 9pt hit if it destroyed the cunts

Me too... It would be embarrassing, but it wouldn't relegate us.

Saying that, I don't think it will come to that.
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« Reply #316 on: Fri 10 Sep 10 08:02 GMT »

The 9pts would be bitter but man oh man if it ruined them 

This is good news though... right?
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« Reply #317 on: Wed 15 Sep 10 22:29 GMT »

I hope this is a vicious rumour but I have heard Hicks and Gillet have agreed a refinance deal  SUPER PALM

please let this be bollocks, no source as it's just a rumour I heard over these ways on the mersey
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« Reply #318 on: Wed 15 Sep 10 22:40 GMT »

sigh voronin again... sigh voronin again... sigh voronin again...
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« Reply #319 on: Wed 15 Sep 10 22:51 GMT »

Oh that would be so veryvery bad....
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