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« Reply #40 on: Fri 15 May 09 13:17 GMT »

Just an alternative view - If the country bums out how are people going to afford the ticket prices?

depends how high the prices are.
If they take the Arsenal model, then the corporate tier/section alone will generate more matchday revenue than the whole of the old Highbury ever did.

As long as we don't go down the Scum season ticket route with the compulsory cup ticket scheme angry
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« Reply #41 on: Fri 15 May 09 14:46 GMT »

That's true.
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« Reply #42 on: Fri 15 May 09 19:41 GMT »

I don't think we can talk about a new stadium, really, gents, because other than the spade and the wheelbarrow, not one f****** thing has happened to get us anywhere near a new ground.
If they started tomorrow, how long would it take ? 2 years ? 3 ?
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« Reply #43 on: Fri 05 Jun 09 12:53 GMT »

I'm surprised it's taken anybody this long to realise there's a problem on the horizon.

Quote from: The Telegraph on 4th June 2009

Liverpool's £350m debt sets off alarm as Tom Hicks and George Gillett warned

Liverpool's owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been warned by their auditors that failure to refinance a £350 million loan due next month will threaten the club’s ability to operate as a going concern.

The warning is contained in accounts filed yesterday which also reveal that Hicks and Gillett paid £36.5 million in interest last year, contributing to a holding company loss of £42.6 million.

The American co-owners are in negotiations with banks RBS and Wachovia to refinance the debt, repayable on July 24, and are also seeking fresh investment from a third party.

The owners remain confident they will agree a deal with the banks, but in accounts for the club and its holding company, Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd, auditors KPMG warn of a “material uncertainty” over the club’s future.

“The group has credit facilities which expire on July 24. The directors have initiated negotiations to secure the replacement finance ... and these are ongoing,” KPMG write. “These conditions ... indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt on the Group’s and parent company’s ability to continue as a going concern.”

KPMG’s comments serve as a reminder of the crucial nature of the refinancing talks. The accounts also demonstrate that the profit made by the club, £10 million before tax in 2007-08, is swallowed by interest payable on the owners’ loans.

Sources close to the owners said that KPMG’s warning was a technical formality given the proximity of the refinancing date.

They also said Uefa has just renewed the club’s licence to compete in the Champions League, a condition of which is that the club is a going concern.

In the accounts Hicks and Gillett insist: “The directors have a reasonable expectation that the group will secure adequate resources to enable [it] to continue in operational existence.”

The accounts also show they have provided personal guarantees against £185 million of the debt.



Source - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/5446879/Liverpools-350m-debt-sets-off-alarm-as-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-warned.html

The Muppets are still fiddling while Rome is beginning to smoulder.
They seem very confident in the banks' willingness to re-finance the loan.
I will be very happy when these charlatans get out of our club.

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Re: Future ownership of the Club
« Reply #44 on: Fri 05 Jun 09 13:12 GMT »

It's such a hard picture to understand and all we want are owners with a solid foundation.
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« Reply #45 on: Fri 05 Jun 09 19:17 GMT »

It's such a hard picture to understand and all we want are owners with countless billions of Oil dollars.

blunt, but fair!
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« Reply #46 on: Sat 06 Jun 09 01:15 GMT »

G+H 4eva. fact

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« Reply #47 on: Sat 06 Jun 09 02:39 GMT »

It's such a hard picture to understand and all we want are owners with countless billions of Oil dollars.

blunt, but fair!

haha I see what you did there

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Re: Future ownership of the Club
« Reply #48 on: Sat 06 Jun 09 09:16 GMT »

orly
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« Reply #49 on: Tue 23 Jun 09 09:45 GMT »

From The Guardian website Mon 22nd June 2009

Source - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jun/22/liverpool-new-managing-director

Liverpool expect the appointment of Christian Purslow as managing director will benefit Tom Hicks' and George Gillett's attempts to extend their £350m refinancing deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland. The co-owners were confident of an extension despite the alarming financial results posted for last year, but believe relations with the RBS will improve thanks to Purslow's arrival ahead of next month's refinancing deadline.

Purslow, a Liverpool season-ticket holder whose family hail from Wirral, is to assume overall management of the club until a replacement is installed for Rick Parry, the long-serving chief executive who leaves Anfield next week, and will then continue as a board director. In the absence of a chief executive it will be Purslow's job to assist the manager, Rafael Benítez, on transfer business this summer, with another priority to renegotiate the £350m loan by 24 July.

Liverpool's new managing director has already established a healthy working relationship with senior RBS officials through his background in private equity. The 45-year-old co-founded the private equity firm MidOcean Partners where he remains an executive board member, and his move to Anfield is believed to have been well received by the RBS. Purslow is also a fluent Spanish speaker, with a modern languages degree from Cambridge University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He is also chairman of the youth section of Corinthian Casuals, his local team in the West Surrey Youth League.

"Christian has been a great supporter of the club for many years and he's already built up good relationships at Anfield," said Hicks. "His strategic and commercial acumen will be a real asset and we're delighted that he has made a long term commitment to the club."

The RBS are seeking an increase in personal guarantees from Hicks and Gillett as a condition of their next refinancing deal. Gillett's ability to meet those demands improved dramatically on Sunday when it was confirmed he had reached agreement to sell his 80% stake in the Montreal Canadiens ice hockey franchise back to the Molson brewing family for an estimated £333m.


Looks like the Americans seem to be settling in for the long term, or positioning themselves to try and make more money from a sale further down the line.

Either way, this looks like it will the club to become more stable, which can only be a good thing.



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« Reply #50 on: Tue 23 Jun 09 10:10 GMT »

Liverpool close to bank debt deal 
 
The club's owners are having to sell assets in the US
Liverpool Football Club - which owes two banks £350m - is close to renegotiating its debt with the Royal Bank of Scotland, the BBC has learnt.

RBS has told club owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett the debt, due to be repayed in July, will be refinanced.

BBC business editor Robert Peston says RBS will insist on significant payments in the subsequent six months.

It comes as Portsmouth's defender Glen Johnson has agreed to join Liverpool in a £17.5m move.

'Lending agreement'

"The good news for Liverpool FC supporters is that the club is not about to go bust," said Mr Peston.

Our correspondent added: "I understand that Royal Bank of Scotland has told its two billionaire owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks, that their £350m debt - which falls due for repayment on 24 July and is owed to Royal Bank and Wachovia of the US - will be refinanced.

"A new lending agreement will be put on place."

A spokesman for the US pair would not comment on the development.

The other bank owed money, Wachovia, has yet to make any announcement
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« Reply #51 on: Fri 24 Jul 09 17:10 GMT »

Thought these were interesting.

BBC article about the latest fans ownership plan

Supporters groups Spirit of Shankly and ShareLiverpoolFC have unveiled a new, joint proposal to buy Liverpool.

The supporters' organisations are unhappy with the financial structure of the club following the takeover by Americans George Gillett and Tom Hicks.

The key change to the original "member-share" proposal is a reduction of the share price from £5,000 to £500.

Gillett and Hicks have been allowed to delay repaying the club's £350m debt in full, it emerged on Friday.

The Americans had been negotiating an extension on the club's debt with the Royal Bank of Scotland for several months and sources said a statement would be issued next week.

The alternative was for one of the world's biggest clubs coming, effectively, under the control of the Government who own a majority share in RBS.

Last month RBS took the unprecedented step of writing to Liverpool's supporters to justify continuing financial support of the club's American co-owners. The bank had been flooded with e-mails from fans calling for the plug to be pulled on Hicks and Gillett's debt.

Before Friday's development, the SLFC had issued a statement on Thursday evening.

It said it had a "realistic plan" to achieve "broadly-based fan ownership of the club" and would work to "relieve the level of debt, by offering Liverpool fans an affordable entry fee and a chance to get a modest return for their additional financial support."
It added: "We need all Liverpool fans to carefully consider the proposals in detail on our website and let us know what they think."

The supporters' groups first proposed a takeover - the model of which is based upon that operated by Barcelona, Real Madrid and other European clubs - in January 2008.

Initially they hoped to raise £500m from 100,000 fans each paying the £5,000 'entry fee', but this has now been reduced.

The aim is to acquire a 60% stake in the club by raising £150m while seeking a "commercial partner" to invest £100m for a 40% stake.


Frankly, I'm in for £500 if that happens. You?

Countered by comments from David Conn's Guardian article about why G&H owning the club and being in debt is bad for the club (not that you need a maths degree to work that out)


Liverpool supporters have launched proposals to buy the club outright, on the day that its north American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are due to renew their £350m loans with Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia. Almost £200m of that was borrowed by Hicks and Gillett to buy the club, having said they were not "doing a Glazers" and loading the club with paying the interest and costs of their own takeover. They have since failed to raise the money to build Liverpool the planned new 60,000 or 70,000-seat stadium on Stanley Park, which was the sole reason the club was sold to the pair in the first place.

The announcement by the two groups, ShareLiverpoolFC, the supporters trust, and the Spirit of Shankly campaign, explains how they believe they can raise £250m from ordinary and wealthy fans, and a commercial partner, to buy out most of the bank debt, and pay the other £100m off in instalments.

That ambitious aspiration is endorsed by Supporters Direct, the government-backed initiative to encourage fan ownership of football clubs, whose chief executive, Dave Boyle, said: "This proposal is the only sensible, sustainable offer that's been put forward that also meets the crucial community requirements. Community ownership is something both the Government and UEFA strongly support, and this proposal is very much in line with that.

"The Club seems to be at a crossroads. It will either continue to be owned by a group of distant people with an eye on the bottom line, driven by the need to pay off colossal debts, or owned by the community, like Barcelona or Bayern Munich."

The banks are, however, expected to approve the refinancing and so continue the £350m facility, of which Liverpool had actually borrowed £302m by July 2008, paying £36.5m in interest. As I wrote when the accounts were published, that, in the current climate, is great business for any bank, including one like RBS which fell into catastrophic financial problems last year, was bailed out and is now majority owned by the government – on behalf of us, every British citizen.

Playing on the belief that public ownership, which has cost us billions, comes with public duties, Liverpool fans have campaigned, hosed the bank with emails, urging it not to renew its loans, a decision which would lead to the probable ousting of Hicks and Gillett. RBS, though, responded with a message to fans which all but confirmed they will be continuing to lend. Their reasoning is worth contemplating. Ominously for those fans' groups, the message said the bank has a "long-term relationship with the club, and we look forward to this continuing for many years to come."

It went on to explain why the bank wants to keep lending money to Liverpool year after year: "In our view and that of the executive management of the club, it is financially healthy and able to service comfortably its debt obligations from cash flow generated by its playing and commercial activities. It is in our commercial interest to support the club."

In other words, the £350m loan, or more particularly the almost £200m of it which is paying for Hicks' and Gillett's takeover, may be appalling business for the football club itself and, the fans would say, the spirit of what it represents, but it is lovely lucre for a bank. To receive, in the current climate, £36.5m interest from a football club confidently expecting another season of a packed 45,000 seat Anfield, floods of TV money and all the other till-ringing means of Premier League money-making, is not to be sniffed at, or turned down for a fans' principle.

So the likelihood is that Hicks and Gillett will secure their lending, keep hold of the club, from which they charge for their expenses, and expect to make a good profit when they sell it on. The banks will make plentiful money too "for many years to come," from a honeypot football club in a spartan economic climate.

And the fans, who feel irreparably betrayed by the owners - and who believe that football is more precious than a mere business, an emotional attachment to core ideals they summarise as the Spirit of Shankly - get to pay for it all.

No wonder businessmen from afar want to buy into all this – with borrowed money, if they can.
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« Reply #52 on: Fri 24 Jul 09 18:06 GMT »

Just how are they expecting to buy the club with £250m?

They can raise all the money they want it doesn't mean shit. This isn't the stock market you can't make a hostile takeover. If they don't want to sell they won't sell.

If they agreed to the supporters that they would sell if we raised £500m then I would put up the £5000 tommorrow, with assurances. Like how would it be run? Who would be spokeman and representative on the board? Who would decide on the chairman and so forth?

It simply won't happen. Unless we can convince DIC to go 60-40 with us and i'm sure fans would dip into their pockets to help out then.  Surprised
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« Reply #53 on: Fri 24 Jul 09 19:21 GMT »

it won't happen. not least because of the point Ash makes but also because all of our fans groups put together couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.
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« Reply #54 on: Fri 24 Jul 09 19:35 GMT »

it won't happen. not least because of the point Ash makes but also because all of our fans groups put together couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

This is sadly true.
But we are not alone in this regard. At least we were never in the position of having the opportunity to buy shares in our club when it was a plc, then protesting with placards saying "Not For Sale", when their club was up for sale every day of the fucking week.

This is not very comforting, I know, but I don't think fan groups will ever be able to do it in this country. Even if we had enough cash for the purchase, what about the continuing costs required to run the club. And who would be in charge ? Rogan Taylor ?

And the other major problem would be this. If average fans, say like the ones that frequent a forum not far from here, felt they had a legitimate say in the club, but they just happen to be retards, what chaos would this plunge our club in, on a weekly basis ?
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« Reply #55 on: Fri 24 Jul 09 19:39 GMT »

It's all about Barcelona if you're going down that route - I sadly have no clue about the history and how it works, but it clearly does. My favourite city abroad as well.
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« Reply #56 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 14:41 GMT »

From the main site it looks like the loan has been refinanced for another 12 months, which I guess makes it much less likely they will sell now.
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« Reply #57 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 14:48 GMT »

Apparently one of the conditions of them having the loan refinanced was that they had to pay back £60 million each (which I dont quite understand).
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« Reply #58 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 15:18 GMT »

Apparently one of the conditions of them having the loan refinanced was that they had to pay back £60 million each (which I dont quite understand).

I believe that, in order to re-finance, the banks wants G&H to reduce the overall loan by £60m, half of which is to be re-paid immediately, and they want G&H to personally re-pay it.

Looks as though the banks want back roughly the same amount the Yanks borrowed to build the stadium. A stadium they haven't built. Fair enough, if you ask me.

I will post details as soon as they become available.
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« Reply #59 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 15:38 GMT »

Good man.

Interesting (and encouraging) that they've dipped into their own pockets.

I'm on the ambivilent side of this argument, they're certainly not the worst owners in the world...
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« Reply #60 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 16:04 GMT »

Here we go.
The Guardian get a load of abuse generally, but they try and be accurate most of the time, so I will consider this a suitable source

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/27/hicks-gillett-liverpool-debt-refinancing

Quote from: guardian.co.uk, Monday 27 July 2009 13.52 BST

Liverpool owners strike deal to refinance debt

• Deal involves paying back £60m of original debt
• Agreement ends months of speculation about club's future

Liverpool's American owners have concluded a deal to refinance the bank loan they took out to buy the club in 2007.

Co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are not expected to issue a statement, but the deal is believed to be for another year and will involve them paying back £60m of the original debt.

Negotiations between the Royal Bank of Scotland, Wachovia and the owners have continued for months. There was a significant fear that the banks would call in the loan, while both Hicks and Gillett have searched for someone to take a minority stake in the club for around £100m to no avail.

But a source close to the owners has confirmed that the deal has now been concluded, and before last weekend's deadline for refinancing the package expired.

The owners have reduced the £290m they owed to £230m, with £60m being repaid, half immediately.

Hicks, 63, and Gillett, 70, purchased Liverpool in 2007 for £174m, taking on £44.8m of liabilities.

At the time they maintained that financing the debt would not fall on the club. But that attitude changed, and Liverpool now have to find around £40m a year to service the debt, a situation that has enraged fans' groups and impacted on the transfer budget of the manager, Rafael Benítez.

The owners have also failed to find the money to build the club's new stadium, with preliminary work on the Stanley Park venture halting during last season.

Extra cash for the stadium "did not form part of any discussions" claimed the source, although there is still a projected date for completion of 2012.

In the run-up to the new deal being concluded, Gillett has sold his 80% stake in the Montreal Canadiens ice hockey club for $580m (£350m), while Hicks is trying to offload the Texas Rangers baseball team.

It is Hicks who has seemingly experienced most difficulty in coming up with financial backing of late, and he recently defaulted on interest payments on a $515m (£312m) loan in the States recently.

Prior to the current credit crunch, loans of the size Hicks and Gillett took for Liverpool would be expected to refinanced over three or five years. But City sources doubt this new deal would be for more than a year in the current climate.

Hicks and Gillett had a one-year arrangement when they first bought the club, and then negotiated another year with a six-month option.

They were granted that option, which expired at the weekend. But critics, particularly fans' groups, will see this new agreement as just papering over the cracks of a regime that has not been able to take the club forward in the face of tough financial competition from Chelsea, Manchester United, the Spanish giants of Real Madrid and Barcelona, and now Manchester City

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« Reply #61 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 19:16 GMT »

I've always found the Guardian to be an excellent source. One of the best we have in the UK. Interesting read.

Anybody a little worried about reports on Hicks defaulting on loans in America?
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« Reply #62 on: Mon 27 Jul 09 20:01 GMT »

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« Reply #63 on: Tue 28 Jul 09 10:19 GMT »

I've always found the Guardian to be an excellent source. One of the best we have in the UK. Interesting read.

Anybody a little worried about reports on Hicks defaulting on loans in America?

I'm no financial expert, Ash, but it looks like rich man's games to me.
Not being able to pay and playing the rules to not pay are very different.
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« Reply #64 on: Tue 28 Jul 09 11:10 GMT »

Utterly true Gerald - Who really understands this:

I have money
I can go buy one of the largest football clubs in the world by borrowing money
I can now put all that debt onto the football club I own
I have money and no debt

How on earth is this allowed to work?

And it's been happening forever.
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« Reply #65 on: Tue 28 Jul 09 12:00 GMT »

I've always found the Guardian to be an excellent source. One of the best we have in the UK. Interesting read.

Anybody a little worried about reports on Hicks defaulting on loans in America?

I'm no financial expert, Ash, but it looks like rich man's games to me.
Not being able to pay and playing the rules to not pay are very different.

Yeah, quite possibly. I do worry though. What with Gillete's bankruptcy previous and his NASCAR team bleeding him dry. I get the impression neither are rich enough to own what they own comfortably. By that I mean continue to garantor the loans on the teams.
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« Reply #66 on: Tue 29 Sep 09 19:15 GMT »

Quote from:  The Guardian Football Tuesday 29th Sep 2009 17:59

Liverpool's co-owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, have denied reports that they have agreed to sell a 50% share in the club to a Saudi prince, but confirmed Tuesday they are looking for outside investment.

"The owners have jointly retained Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Rothschild to evaluate the possibility of new investors injecting equity into LFC," Hicks and Gillett said. "However, the process is at an early stage, there is no agreement with any party and reports to the contrary are wholly inaccurate."

Sports investment firm F6, which is chaired by a Saudi prince, had claimed that it had signed an exclusivity deal with Gillett to begin the process of examining Liverpool's accounts. Prince Faisal bin Fahd bin Abdullah al-Saud said he was in talks to buy into Gillett's 50% stake.

Neither Gillett nor Hicks can sell any of their equal stakes without the other's approval – a clause that inflamed tensions between the pair when Gillett's attempts to sell to a Dubai consortium were blocked by Hicks in early 2008.

Hicks is looking to raise £100m from investors in return for a 25% stake in the club.

The Texan is trying to reduce the club's £245m ($391m) debt and secure the finances to build a new 60,000-seat stadium, on which construction was halted in August 2008 because of global economic downturn.

So, it looks as though the Yanks are trying to sell a share of the club.

What I don't understand is why the potential investor is claiming that he may be purchasing 25-50% of the club.
At the very least, this would leave the Americans as minority shareholders (if they sold 25% each), which would leave them relatively powerless, so why do it ?

Or is Gillett trying to sell Hicks' 50 % ??
Seems very strange to me.
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Quote from:  The Guardian Football Tuesday 29th Sep 2009 17:59

Liverpool's co-owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, have denied reports that they have agreed to sell a 50% share in the club to a Saudi prince, but confirmed Tuesday they are looking for outside investment.

"The owners have jointly retained Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Rothschild to evaluate the possibility of new investors injecting equity into LFC," Hicks and Gillett said. "However, the process is at an early stage, there is no agreement with any party and reports to the contrary are wholly inaccurate."

Sports investment firm F6, which is chaired by a Saudi prince, had claimed that it had signed an exclusivity deal with Gillett to begin the process of examining Liverpool's accounts. Prince Faisal bin Fahd bin Abdullah al-Saud said he was in talks to buy into Gillett's 50% stake.

Neither Gillett nor Hicks can sell any of their equal stakes without the other's approval – a clause that inflamed tensions between the pair when Gillett's attempts to sell to a Dubai consortium were blocked by Hicks in early 2008.

Hicks is looking to raise £100m from investors in return for a 25% stake in the club.

The Texan is trying to reduce the club's £245m ($391m) debt and secure the finances to build a new 60,000-seat stadium, on which construction was halted in August 2008 because of global economic downturn.

So, it looks as though the Yanks are trying to sell a share of the club.

What I don't understand is why the potential investor is claiming that he may be purchasing 25-50% of the club.
At the very least, this would leave the Americans as minority shareholders (if they sold 25% each), which would leave them relatively powerless, so why do it ?

Or is Gillett trying to sell Hicks' 50 % ??
Seems very strange to me.

Exactly. If I was a billionaire wanting to buy a Premier league team, I'd rather have a controlling share or full ownership than be a minority/silent partner. Particularly when the majority owners have financial issues.
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« Reply #68 on: Tue 29 Sep 09 20:15 GMT »

Even though they wouldn't have controlling power if they had 25% of the club, they can always make money by selling it at a later date for higher value.Any success this year or the next few years for the club would mean the value of the club catapulting and I think they are holding out for that.
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Responding to recent speculation about the Club's ownership structure, a spokesperson for George Gillett and Tom Hicks, owners of Liverpool Football Club said:

"The owners have jointly retained Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Rothschild to evaluate the possibility of new investors injecting equity into LFC.
 
"However, the process is at an early stage, there is no agreement with any party and reports to the contrary are wholly inaccurate."
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« Reply #70 on: Tue 29 Sep 09 22:02 GMT »

Quick question regarding this - say this Saudi guy comes in and buys 50%. What happens if he starts wanting to pump some money into the club - surely if he owns 50% the people owning the other 50% (Gillett and Hicks) would have to put the money into the club too wouldn't they? Or does it not work like that. And if it doesn't, surely if he puts more money in, he'd be letting the Americans reap the benefits of his investments wouldn't he? So what would he be gaining?
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« Reply #71 on: Tue 29 Sep 09 22:35 GMT »

Quick question regarding this - say this Saudi guy comes in and buys 50%. What happens if he starts wanting to pump some money into the club - surely if he owns 50% the people owning the other 50% (Gillett and Hicks) would have to put the money into the club too wouldn't they? Or does it not work like that. And if it doesn't, surely if he puts more money in, he'd be letting the Americans reap the benefits of his investments wouldn't he? So what would he be gaining?

That's what i've been wondering, and i think i posted something similar in that saudi lol thread.  He'd have to be a complete mug to just be a 50% owner and throw money at us with the other 50% not doing the same.  Someone else posted that getting a new investor might be aimed at freeing up equity for the stadium, which sounds more likely.

Anyway, Bankruptcy  smug
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« Reply #72 on: Wed 30 Sep 09 09:50 GMT »

I guess a summary might be :

Billionaire Arabs being asked to invest a lot of money and then being told what to do with their investment by greedy Americans with less money.
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« Reply #73 on: Wed 30 Sep 09 10:38 GMT »

And does the cash they pay for 50% of the club go into American pockets or towards servicing the club's debt?

That amount of money to buy half the existing debt is a LOT of money.
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« Reply #74 on: Wed 30 Sep 09 21:26 GMT »

I had my friend explain all this to me earlier but I can't remember a word she said now. It makes me sad how thick I am sad
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06102009/58/premier-league-gillett-blame-rafa-liverpool-woes.html

I think the title in the link says it all really.

-£4m net spending in 3 years?
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The buck... it was with him but now it is gone  eeek

Where has that buck been passed to?
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Wow, and we all thought Hicks was the cunt.
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« Reply #78 on: Tue 06 Oct 09 11:50 GMT »

I read the comments this morning and my heart just sank.


These fuckers sure know when to put the boot in when we're down don't they?


No matter what strides we make on the pitch and in footballing terms, these clowns will still be holding us back. Where's our fucking stadium you cunts?  angry
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Load of shite, great timing you silly old fuck.
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